Latest RFQs: Global "clear tempered glass" Importers and Buyers

Good morining I would like to ask about about order. Detalis in Attached. - Tempered opti-white glass 8mm thick - Outer edges polished trapezoid plus bevel 10mm - External radius of corners R=6mm - Cutout frosted trapezoid R inner 11,5mm and h [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

Dear Mr. Huang, I am interested to get below mentioned items. Could you please let me know each items minim quantity order and wholesale prices. Interested to import London. Thanks Best Sarath REAL TEMPERED GLASS FILM SCREEN PROTECTOR FOR APPLE IPHON [...]

I require Glass. Need to get this in United Kingdom. We need a USD 0.676483 per Pieces price for Glass. Need quotation from suppliers from China. We want to import nearly 140 Pieces initially and we usually import 6 Months. [...]

I am looking for Sun glassess lens mold, PC lens mold. Our shipment location is United Kingdom. Expecting USD 2 per Pieces price for Sun glassess lens mold, PC lens mold. Need quotation from suppliers from China. We require 310 Pieces initially and t [...]

Want to purchase Tempering Furnace. Need suppliers who can ship to India. Looking for USD 5200 per Sets price for Tempering Furnace. Looking for suppliers from China. We require 1 Sets initially and we will place order Quarterly. [...]

I am looking for company to supply Protective glass. Our destination port is Australia. Our expected price is USD 1 per Pieces, Please quote your best price for Protective glass. Preferred suppliers are from China. We require 20000 Pieces initially a [...]

I Want to purchase Glass bottles. I will import this to Indonesia. Any one offering USD 0.170321 per Pieces price for Glass bottles. We are more interested to buy from China. We require 1000 Pieces initially and the buying frequency will be 6 Months. [...]

I need company to supply TableGlass machine for factory with all process. Our destination port is India. Our expected price is USD 27000 per Sets, Please quote your best price for TableGlass machine for factory with all process. Need to pick supplier [...]

Any company selling Lunette optique. Our shipment location is Italy. Expecting USD 2 per Pieces price for Lunette optique. We need from China. The order size is 2000 Pieces initially and we often buy 6 Months.

Looking to purchase Safety Sunglasses. We need it in Canada. Our expected price is USD 0.375216 per Pieces, Please quote your best price for Safety Sunglasses. Our preferred supplier is from China. Quantity to import is 200 Pieces initially and we bu [...]

Want to buy Looking For Glass edging machine. Need suppliers who can ship to United Kingdom. In search of USD 44000 per Sets price for Looking For Glass edging machine. Any supplier from China. The order size is 1 Sets initially and we require this p [...]

I Want to purchase Looking For trend men type simple optical glasses. Need shipment of these in Italy. Should be USD 9 per Pieces price for Looking For trend men type simple optical glasses. Preferred suppliers are from Romania. The quantity we need [...]

I Want to buy Looking For reading glasses with various powers. Our shipment location is Netherlands. Looking for USD 0.345694 per Pieces price for Looking For reading glasses with various powers. We will choose sellers from China. We need 3000 Pieces [...]

Required Good quality Looking For reading glasses without arms match display blister packing and cu. We need it in Germany. Looking for USD 0.305595 per Pieces price for Looking For reading glasses without arms match display blister packing and cu. N [...]

We require Looking For High transparent disposable glass making machine. Import location will be Thailand. Any one offering USD 11000 per Sets price for Looking For High transparent disposable glass making machine. Our preference is companies in Chin [...]

I want company to supply Looking For Disposable Cup Making Machine. Want suppliers who can export to Australia. Looking forward for USD 12000 per Sets price for Looking For Disposable Cup Making Machine. Need supplier from China. We want 1 Sets initi [...]

In need for Looking For Glass Making Machine. We need it in India. We need a USD 44000 per Sets price for Looking For Glass Making Machine. Our preferred supplier is from China. Our order will be of 1 Sets initially and the order frequency is Quarter [...]

Looking for supply of Looking For Automatic Disposable Glass Making Machine. Our required destination is India. Please provide USD 34000 per Sets price for Looking For Automatic Disposable Glass Making Machine. Need supplier from China. Our order qua [...]

Looking to buy Looking For Disposable Glass Making Machine. Our required destination is Canada. Looking forward for USD 14000 per Sets price for Looking For Disposable Glass Making Machine. Need quotes from suppliers of China. We need 1 Sets initiall [...]

Hi i need you send me costShipping to peru cost cost 100 pieces by dhl or fedex

Type:Magnifying LampPlace of Origin:CNZHEBrand Name:INTBRIGHTCertification:CE EMC LVD RoHS ETLName:Illuminated magnifier glass light dimmable magnifying glass led lampVoltage:100-240VPower:14WLight source:60 Pcs SMD LEDLENS materail:glassLens size:6 [...]

Hi!I am interested in your product better magnifying glass/glass for reading/magnifying glass eye, I would like to clarify some details:Looking forward to your reply.Best regards,

Place of Origin:CNGUASize:5.50x3.50x2.50 cmBrand Name:OEMMagnification:40XMaterial:MetalMaterial:MetalColor:Silver/Black/PinkMagnifier Power:40XLens:25mmIllumination:2 white light ledWeight:70gPower supply:Button batteryPackage:Color box [...]

Type:Dental Auxiliary MaterialsMaterial:Composite MaterialsPlace of Origin:CNJIAInstrument classification:class IWarranty:1 YEARAfter-sale Service:Return and ReplacementBrand Name:TAOSMaterial:colorless optical glassColor:black,whiteCertificate:CEApp [...]

Place of Origin:CNHENMaterial:ABS Plastic, optical lensBrand Name:RATESize:215*144*68mmMagnification:1.0X 1.5X 2.0X 2.5X 3.5XProduct name:Headband Magnifying GlassesMagnification:1.0X 1.5X 2.0X 2.5X 3.5XName:Headband Magnifying GlassesLight:2 LEDType [...]

Product Name:Power AmplifierFunction:Mp3 Player + FM Radio + Jack MICApplication:IndoorMaterial:Aluminium Alloy PanelKeyword:Amplifier WiringFeature:Perfect SoundStyle:ClassicProduct status:in stockSize:10inch and 12 inchUse: Desktop Mini Audio Syste [...]

Im interested in your product 10X LED Electronic Magnifier Magnifying Glass Floor Lamp/86F magnifying lamp with floor stand/IndustI look forward to your reply.

Place of Origin:CNGUAMaterial:GlassBrand Name:DIHAOSize:45*180mmMagnification:10X

Product name:New 3D magnifying glass F2Magnification:3xName:second generation 3D HD video magnifying glassWeight:200gProduct material:Wood + acrylic/PVCPacking quantity:100pcsProduct size:18.5x14.5x1.5cmPacking box size:18.7*12.7*4.4cmOuter box size: [...]

Finish: SSSMOQ: 500 PCSStandard export packing: color box , soft foam pastic bag and palletDelivery: 30 working daysQC: Each item will be checked before shipmentname: glass door locksize: 157*65*20mmhandle size: 19*125mmColor: Silver Can you reply me [...]

Type:Furniture Handle & KnobPlace of Origin:CNGUAMaterial:plasticUsage:CabinetUsage:DrawerUsage:dresserUsage:WardrobeUsage:OtherBrand Name:FankeColor:CrystalProduct name:Crystal Grass KnobsApplication:Home FurnitureFinish:PolishedStyle:Morden [...]

After-sales Service Provided:Engineers available to service machinery overseasMachine type:AbratorCleaning type:AutomaticUse:Rusting and burnishing the surfaceFuel:ElectricMaterial:Metal/coilColor:CustomizedService:OEM/ODMCondition:NewCertification:I [...]

I need company to supply Tubular Type Sight Glass. I will be importing it to Canada. Need Ask Buyer per Pieces price for bulk orders for Tubular Type Sight Glass. We will choose sellers from India. We need 110 Pieces initially and we may place order 6 [...]

Want supplier who can provide Glass Vanity & Glass Bathroom Cabinet. Import location will be United Kingdom. Need Ask Buyer per Sets price for bulk orders for Glass Vanity & Glass Bathroom Cabinet. Need supplier from Turkey. Our order will be of 75 Sets in [...]

Looking to buy Glass Distillation Unit. Can you ship it to Germany. Expecting USD Ask Buyer per Pieces price for Glass Distillation Unit. Our preferred selection is from United States. We want 60 Pieces initially and the order will be Quarterly. [...]

I Want to buy Sight Glass. Our shipment location is Canada. In search of USD Ask Buyer per Pieces price for Sight Glass. Looking for suppliers from India. We need 75 Pieces initially and we buy this product Yearly.

Want to buy Double Window Sight Glass. Need shipment of these in Thailand. Expecting USD Ask Buyer per Pieces price for Double Window Sight Glass. Our preferred selection is from India. If prices are good, We will place order of 75 Pieces initially an [...]

Want to buy Sight Flow Indicator. Our shipment location is Thailand. Please provide USD Ask Buyer per Pieces price for Sight Flow Indicator. Need to pick suppliers in India. Our order will be of 60 Pieces initially and the order frequency is Quarterly. [...]

I am looking for company to supply Round Tumbler Glass Boiler Gauge.. We need it in South Korea. We need a USD Ask Buyer per Pieces price for Round Tumbler Glass Boiler Gauge.. Our preferred sourcing location is United Arab Emirates. We want 140 Piece [...]

Looking to buy Full View Sight Flow Indicators. We are importing in Malaysia. We need a USD Ask Buyer per Pieces price for Full View Sight Flow Indicators. Need quotation from suppliers from China. We need approx 65 Pieces initially and we buy this pro [...]

I am looking for Double Window Sight Glass Indicator. Import location will be United Kingdom. Any one offering USD Ask Buyer per Pieces price for Double Window Sight Glass Indicator. Need quotation from suppliers from India. The quantity we need to buy [...]

In need for Sight Glass Flow Indicator. I will import this to United Kingdom. Any one offering USD Ask Buyer per Pieces price for Sight Glass Flow Indicator. Preferred suppliers are from India. Will buy approximately 50 Pieces initially and we require [...]

Looking to buy Sight Glass Flow Indicators. Our required destination is United Kingdom. Looking forward for USD Ask Buyer per Pieces price for Sight Glass Flow Indicators. Our preference is companies in China. We want 70 Pieces initially and we buy this [...]

Looking to buy Double Jacketed Glass Unit. Need to import in South Korea. Should be USD Ask Buyer per Pieces price for Double Jacketed Glass Unit. Our preferred supplier is from India. We need approx 35 Pieces initially and the buying frequency will be O [...]

I Want to buy P.p.sight Glass Indicator & Butterfly Valves. Need shipment of these in Canada. Looking forward for USD Ask Buyer per Pieces price for P.p.sight Glass Indicator & Butterfly Valves. Need quotes from suppliers of China. Our order will be of [...]

Want supplier who can provide Sight Flow Indicator. Need shipment of these in Turkey. Looking forward for USD Ask Buyer per Pieces price for Sight Flow Indicator. Our preferred supplier is from India. We want to import nearly 65 Pieces initially and we [...]

Looking to purchase Sight Flow Indicator. I will import this to Thailand. Any one offering USD Ask Buyer per Pieces price for Sight Flow Indicator. Expecting quotes from sellers in China. We need 85 Pieces initially and we buy this product Quarterly. [...]

Need to purchase Sight Glass Flow Indicators. Can you ship it to Turkey. We need a USD Ask Buyer per Pieces price for Sight Glass Flow Indicators. Need to pick suppliers in China. The order size is 70 Pieces initially and we will place order On Time. [...]

Need supplier who can provide Reflex Flat Glass Level Gauge. I will be importing it to Italy. We need a USD Ask Buyer per Pieces price for Reflex Flat Glass Level Gauge. Prefer to import from India. Will buy approximately 250 Pieces initially and we bu [...]

Need Flat Glass Level Gauges. Need suppliers who can ship to Philippines. Looking forward for USD Ask Buyer per Pieces price for Flat Glass Level Gauges. We will choose sellers from Taiwan. We want 240 Pieces initially and we will place order On Time. [...]

need to buy Sight Glasses-Flow Indicators. Can you ship it to Canada. Please provide USD Ask Buyer per Pieces price for Sight Glasses-Flow Indicators. Our preferred supplier is from China. We need approx 50 Pieces initially and if terms are good, we will [...]

Any company selling Sight Glass Indicators. I will be importing it to Malaysia. Need Ask Buyer per Pieces price for bulk orders for Sight Glass Indicators. Prefer to import from India. If prices are good, We will place order of 75 Pieces initially and [...]